Wednesday, April 2, 2008

USC Pro Day Write Up: Part 1

by: Michael Steffes

Ok, so I am going to give you guys my thoughts and observations about the actual players at USC Pro Day. Originally, I recored "Path From the Draft", who were filming there, and planned to watch footage before writing. However, I reconsidered. Instead, I have turned on a baseball game, and I am going to write completely from my notes, so that you get MY opinion, uninfluenced by outsiders. It may be similar to what others have said around the web, and maybe not. I think this way it holds more value.

To check it out.....


To begin with, they fan experience at one of these things isn't the main concern. Not that it should be, but sitting in the bleachers, you could only see so much. My pictures are all from far away, but some of them are good, so I am going to have my lady, Photoshop expert that she is, clean them up and I will post them later. None of them of are people running however, because the scouts surround the running lane, which was in the middle of the field. They did announce the times though.

They did all the weight lifting and jumping inside Heritage Hall, which was not open for the people to see. However quickly the word spread through out the family section, where I was sitting, that Keith Rivers had jumped 42' in the vert. Apparently it was the highlight of the morning activities.

The first people to come out to the field were the long snapper and the punter. I won't bore you, but I thought both were quite good. The snappers name is Collins. He has some good velocity and accuracy, but he is a pretty small guy. Could be that all the other USC guys are monsters, but he just seemed kinda small. He ran the 40 though, so if you are interested, he ran 5.31 and then 5.2. The punter boomed several 70 yard punts, but didn't seem very consistent.

The 40 was first. I will mostly include 40 times as I am talking about players, but I will tell you that the first thing that woke everybody up, was Keith Rivers running a 4.5 in the first go round. I know it is a good, not great time, but for a linebacker his size, it was a site to see, and the whole crowd erupted when it was announced. The second big explosion came after Chuancey Washington's second run. He ran a 4.35. The days of hoping he is a 7th round project back are gone. He weighs 220 lbs, I was told, and he still ran a 4.3. He is built very similar to Jonathan Stewart. Washington could be a steal later in the draft.

One of the things I was really looking forward to seeing was the shuttle drills. This tends to highlight athleticism. However, something was going on. All the family members were pissed. Hardly anyone was able to complete the drill without slipping an falling at different times. It would seem they should have this thing figured out by now, but no one could plant and cut well, and thus they were all slipping when they tried to change directions. Fred Davis seemed to get frustrated and I am not sure he ever completed one. Chilo Rachel also had problems.

I got a pretty good look at all the positional drills except for the defensive backs. It was on the opposite side of the field from me, and the linebackers were working out at the same time. The positional drills that drew the most attention were the defensive line drills, which created a lot of good moments, and the linebackers which was an unbelievable atheletic display by both Keith Rivers and Thomas Williams. However, I think the the USC lineman, as a group, are all very solid players. I was impressed by how despite limited athletic talent, they were all very solid, fundamentally sound players. They defintely aren't fits for every teams systems, but they should all be capable of holding their own in the pros. Plus, Sam Baker looks like a lumberjack, he has a awesome beard!

In my opinion, the big winners today Keith Rivers, who almost assured he will be taken in the top half of round 1, and Chauncey Washington who seems to have assured himself of being selected. Probably a few rounds higher than was previously projected. I also really liked Thomas Williams. He is a linebacker who was kind of buried behind Rivers and the two first rounders next year, Maualuga and Cushing. He looked very good in the LB drills. He showed excellent ball skills for a defender He has an excellent build and he ran 4.7. My friend of the program says he will make a team next year just because he will be a special teams ace. That most certainly should grab the Hawks attention.

Unfortunately for him, Fred Davis is probably the big loser of the day. You all know that I like Fred Davis and really wanted him to be the shinning star today, but it just didn't happen for him. It is hard to believe someone who was so good in games just struggles during these work outs, but Davis didn't impress me in any way. He made some nice catches and only had one drop, but his 40's were still average at 4.64 and 4.7. Plus, I am just not sure he has any room to bulk up. His frame is pretty maxed out. Also, he didn't look nearly as impressive running routes to me today as he did on the combine footage. Sorry Fred, but you haven't convinced me. The tight end class, which once looked so promising, is starting to look pretty dreary.

Anyway, I this is already a lot. I will do a player by player write up in a little bit. Possibly post dinner. I still have a ton to cover.

27 comments:

  1. Great work Michael. That would've been fun to go to.
    Thomas peaks my interest, a little slow, but could work out well on special teams if he lightened up a big.
    That punter is something else! Haha.
    Like I supposed, Davis doesn't show up for practice and thinks he can shine on game-day. Not in the NFL my friend. Definitely sounds a lot like Stevens as the draft approaches.

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  2. So does that bump him from your top TE prospect? What are your thoughts on Carlson after his workout? The more I read up on the guy the more I think he's the TE for the Hawks. Better blocker than Davis (according to nfldraftcountdown). He's a better athlete and has room to bulk up. Do you still think Davis should be the Hawks new TE?

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  3. great write up Michael! Thanx for sacrificing your life for the good of the blog!

    FancyPants

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  4. Right now, i am open to suggestions on who should be the Hawks tight end.

    The way I see it is that Carlson is a bit slow, but serviceable.

    Keller is too small but dynamic.

    Davis, might be a value at #55, but I still wouldn't feel confident in his ability to produce now.

    Maybe Tee Rucker from Missouri. I heard him on Sirius this morning and he was talking about his foundation and his family raising him right. But he is questionable at best too, and he didn't sound like he had anything lined up with the Hawks.

    Oh boy would I pay to be a fly on the wall in the war room tonight!

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  5. Hey Cris Mattix, I dropped you a comment in the thread from earlier about your blog...make sure you check it out.

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  6. I mentioned this a few days ago on a different thread, but according to nfldraftscout.com, John Carlson improved himself quite a bit at the Notre Dame pro day. I don't remember the exact 40 times, but it seems like they were in the 4.68 4.7-something range. I would have to think that shoots him back up the Hawk's board, but who knows. It is fun to try predicting, but the real GMs have access to so much information that we as fans never see or hear, and their picks are so much more strategic than most of us probably realize. On an earier thread, a lot of you were commenting on how poorly Kiper, McShay and every other expert picks for their mocks. You have to look at their mock drafts as being for entertainment purposes only. They don't make their picks based on best-player-available, they make their picks on most-obvious-need. Has Kiper ever correctly predicted a Seahawk pick? Also, every year, a team makes a surprise pick that changes the draft boards of every team picking after them. Miami and Ted Ginn is a great example from last year.

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  7. He is a bit slow, but did improve it to a 4.62 at pro day. Not that it's great, but they have said he has the ability to be a threat down field. Guessing maybe his quickness compensates or he's appears faster than he tests. Good lord listen to me drool over this guy... guess he's my man crush as you put it... haha

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  8. If Carlson did improve to a 4.62, that is not bad for a TE who is also a good blocker. The TEs who can't do anything but catch may need to be faster, but for a solid all-around TE, pure speed may not be quite as vital.

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  9. Correction noted. Thanks. 4.62 seemed a little fast.

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  10. Yeah, but I didn't think Rucker was that great of a blocker and his 40 time wasn't any better than Carlson's... hmmm

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  11. I think we should wait and take Bennett in the third a sleeper that is big enough to punish linebackers and catch the ball with ease. He is a man Beast and will be the Boss (Giants)TE of the 08 draft.

    Farmboy

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  12. Martellus Bennett? I doubt that he lasts until the 3rd. It would be great if he did, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Ruskell's draft board always seems unpredictable to me. I'm telling you, start expecting the unexpected. We are all thinking TE in round 1, just like last year most of us were thinking guard in round 2 or 3.

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  13. When does Cal have their Pro Day?

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  14. I use to be all for Keller, but now realize that he's not the right fit for the Hawks. I've never really been able to throw myself on the Davis bandwagon... he's got the measures just something doesn't fit for me. I don't think he's as good a blocker as everyone says.

    That leaves me with my Carlson arguement as mentioned before. The other guy I have high hopes for is Martellus Bennett. He is a great athlete... He was set to enter the NBA draft out of HS before he decided to stick with football. He can jump and is a really good blocker. He has great size with room to grow. May have the best long term potential given the right team and circumstances. This is on of my sleepers of the draft.

    Wouldn't lose any sleep if Bennett was the TE we draft.

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  15. Nice, beating me to the punch on Bennett farmboy... With the other 3 TE's on the board I really do think that we could wait to get a TE in the 3rd. If we trade out of the 1st, we could pick up an early 2nd and early 3rd (maybe 37th and 68th from ATL or 32nd and 64th from MIA) if we throw in our 3rd. That would allow us to get two good "other needs" picks in the 2nd. I honestly don't think all 4 will be gone in the 2nd.

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  16. somebody do me a favor- put together a list of the 40 times of all the TEs drafted in the last three years. Or, of all of last year's starting TEs. It just doesn't seem like 4.70 is that slow.

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  17. Here is a short list of TE 40 times:
    Jeremey Shocky 4.58
    Kellen Winslow 4.6
    Leonard Pope: 4.65, 4.66
    Timothy Day: 4.78, 4.87
    Marcedes Lewis: 4.84, 4.87 (ouch)
    Tony Scheffler: 4.56, 4.53
    TJ Williams: 4.75, 4.73
    Joe Klopfenstein: 4.65, 4.71
    Last year Kevin Boss ran a 4.8,
    Vernon Davis ran 4.3 something in his combine, 40 time is the most overrated metric for TE's IMO.

    Yung Hawk

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  18. fast work, yung hawk! What about Jason Witten/Chris Cooley types?

    yeah, look at that-- 4.80 for Kevin Boss. I'd love it if a Kevin Boss type falls to us in the third round because somebody is put off by his 4.80.

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  19. Here's a few more I couldn't find Cooley.

    LJ Smith 4.7
    Jason Witten 4.67

    Yung Hawk

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  20. When is the schedule annonced?
    I want to eat Cow for Thanksgiving

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  21. I would say if the FO think Carlson is the guy he's plenty fast.

    Yung Hawk

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  22. agreed, Carlson is my choice. Seems like a Ruskell guy. What round do we grab him in, Yung Hawk?

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  23. I would assume we don't reach and look at TE in RD 2. But who knows, In TR we trust!

    Yung Hawk

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  24. I finally got to your message Michael, and I answered it on right there. Check it out.
    Thanks again for the advice and I'll let you know if and when I get it going.
    As for the names, I think I'll be looking a little longer--hehe. The Cortez one was good, but I'm not sure it will attract the average-Joe fan, you know?
    It's gotta have something to do with Burleson's Hawk dance tho, or Mebane's crazy gig. Why not? "The Hawk Dance" or "Waves of Neon Green" or "Mr. Cinco-Uno" or "Holmy's Team" or "Mr. Ocho-Beck" or "Dancing with Tubbs" or "Can You Shake and Bake like Weaver?" or "Men of Character--In Neon Green".
    Any ideas Hawk fans?

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  25. Martellus Bennet wont make it to the third round. The Cowturds like him, and will likely nab him in the second.

    I still think if Davis is available in the second, the hawks should take him--IF Bennet is gone.

    Some players run/perform just as well with pads on as they do in shorts and t. Some do things in shorts and a t that you will never see on the field.

    I think Davis is one of the guys who moves just as well with equipment on. He isnt any better if you take the pads off, but what you do get is a guy who can play. I didnt see his workouts, so I'm biased, but I think he will make a fine pro.

    Plenty of players have managed ridiculous 40 times/jump etc in the combine, then were worthless in pads onfield. Plenty players also had mediocre times/stats at the combine, then showed amazing speed/athelticism onfield.

    Lofa didnt exactly set the world on fire at his workouts, but he is a fiend onfield. Davis aint no Lofa, but I'm betting he makes a fine TE in the NFL.

    Probably a good thing I'm not GM.

    -SlaveToTheBusinessman

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  26. One other thing, Mike: a 40 time of 4.6 or 4.7 for a guy over 240 lbs like Davis is pretty friggin good. I dont think those times hurt him at all. Thats only two tenths slower than speedy WR's. Anything below 4.8 is really good.

    Keller running a 4.5 and 4.6 is not as impressive, as he is so much lighter than Davis. He's basically a large, slow WR who cant block.

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