Here is the article from Pewter Report.com, it says the Bucs will be interested in Crumpler and Coleman. Not too big of a surprise, this has been speculated. The funny thing is, and this is kind of what the Carolina GM was saying, it appears Crumpler and Coleman haven't officially been released yet.
I also heard on NFL Radio on Sirius, that Crumpler is expected to spend a month or so getting in top physical condition before making the rounds. Translation: If you see my flab right now, there is no way you will show me the money.
UPDATE--(10:09am) This blog post by the Tampa beat writer suggests that the Colts are showing interest in Crumpler. Could this mean freedom for Dallas Clark? I think all Hawks fans would take Clark over Crumpler, despite the difference in cost. END-OF-POST
Please, no more over the hill guys. Stick a fork in that dude, he was great, so was SA....
ReplyDeletefor those of you that think fred davis is the answer here's some facts.
ReplyDelete1. he has 4.86 speed=slow
2. he isnt a good blocker
how would drafting him help our run game or hass?
there are 2-4 excellent recieving TE gthat will be avialable after round 1. there are several great blocking TE in the 265-275 range
hawkfaninok, how do you reconcile that with everybody from John Clayton to Mel Kiper saying that Fred Davis is the best TE in the draft. If he is slow and can't block, i doubt he would be getting that praise. If you like others better, fair enough, but say Fred Davis is no good, well there is very little evidence of that
ReplyDeleteHe is a bad blocker though.
ReplyDeleteMaybe its the hands?
ReplyDeleteI'll let Ruskell and his team be the judge of who the best TE in the draft is. No disrespect to John Clayton and even Mel Kiper. Remember- Mel Kiper thought the Hawks reached for Tatupu. Said he was a fourth round talent. Ruskell and his team do a great job of evaluating the players football instincts and desire, which are not measurable at a combine.
ReplyDeleteI do agree with Clayton in that the Hawks should prioritize a TE ahead of a RB though, as there are many solid RB prospects available in the draft.
hawkfaninoklahoma- consider this. Vernon Davis is very fast, but how has that translated into NFL success? What was Jay Novacek's 40 yard dash speed? How was he as a blocker? How about Brent Jones? How about Jason Witten?
You know who would make a great tight End? Jon Brockman. Its a pipe dream, yes, but just think about his attitude, work ethic, post skills.
- Papahawk
The one thing about Tatupu is, could we have had him with a 3rd round pick? Great athlete, but could we have used our 2cd on some one else?
ReplyDeleteoregonhawk:
ReplyDeleteare you dumb?!?! who cares that we used a 2nd round pick on lofa?!?! i wouldn't care if we used the 1st overall pick on him! it doesn't matter where he is drafted, point is we got a franchise mlb that could someday be in the hall of fame!
No offense to anybody else, but I trust the people who evaluate football talent for a living more than even my own opinion. I could list twenty people who think Davis is one of the top 1 or 2 TE's in this draft. So I highly doubt he is bad. Maybe he just could improve on some aspects of his game
ReplyDeleteFred Davis is a great receiving tight end, he just needs to work on his blocking. Davis looks a lot like Kellen Winslow Jr. to me in the little game tape I've seen of him (they're even the same height and within two pounds of each other), and while Winslow also isn't much of a blocker I can't say that I would be unhappy to see him in a Seahawks uniform either.
ReplyDeleteI love it!!!!!!!!! Lets sign John Brockman!!!!! Is he expected to make it in the NBA???
ReplyDeleteI found one site that has him rated as the 5th best power forward, but a couple others don't have him on the board
ReplyDeletethe point i am making is wasting a number 1 draft pick on a guy that can't block is stupid. even if he could improve his blocking skills it will most likely have no impact on our running game this year. both kiper and clayton have listed several other TE that are faster that "will never be deep threats because of their lack of speed" how then do you say davis is a good pick. grade 93
ReplyDeletejohn carlson, better blocker same speed 7 lbs heavier great hands grade 89.
now im not saying which we should pick im throwing out this for something to consider, is 4 points on grade worth the difference between a first and second pick? maybe it is what scares me is the fact that davis with his poor blocking skills will be protecting hass. both need work the question i feel is this; do we need a very good reciever poor blocker or a good reciever good blocker?
mike, i am not saying i know more then the scouts or the front office. however i can read everything avialable on the net plus watch film on these guys and make a pretty good opinion on the player. also the these experts contradict themselves constatly.
Great weblog! However, I can not believe that you received a pass on Alge Crumpler being a less desirable TE than Dallas Clark! Age: AC 30, DC 28. Years in the NFL: AC 7, DC 5. Most receiving yards in a Season: 877 (with three years over 750 yards), DC 616 (with only one year over 500 yards). Total Receiving yards (lifetime): AC 4212, DC 2234. Pro Bowls: AC 4, DC 0. All Pro AC 2, DC 0. To me there is absolutely no comparison, Alge Crumpler is in a different category altogether! If the Colts are seriously looking at him to replace Dallas Clark, what kind of statement is that?
ReplyDeleteI love this site!
ReplyDeleteHow come no one has commented on the Bucs (as in the guys who have Jeremy Stevens) are looking at Crumpler after only 1 year with Stevens? I think this should make many fans glad to be rid of that chump.
I'm of the hope that we draft a TE instead of overpay in FA. It's time for Ruskell to start drafting some solid offensive skill position guys.
I've read quite a bit about the TE's that will be in the draft, and the "professionals" don't agree on much. Most love Fred Davis, but say he isn't much of a blocker. Some love John Carlson, some have him slipping to the 4th.
ReplyDeleteAnd then there is the player who the professionals don't agree on at all; Martellus Bennett. Mike Kahn said that Bennett is "the #1 consensus in this draft" (regarding to TE, not overall). Some of them have him neck and neck with Davis, but others don't even mention him.
One other thing, while being a better reciever doesn't make you a better blocker, it does mean that the opposing team will have to put less guys in the box because they will have to have someone cover you.
But surf hawk, if the Bucs drop Stevens, who will fill the NFL's quota for tight ends who celebrate the one pass per game they did catch like it was the winning touchdown in the Super Bowl? Shockey can't do it on his own!
ReplyDelete(Sorry, couldn't help myself.)
In regards to the comment that says Crumpler in a different league than Dallas Clark. Consider this. Clark has played in an offense in which they have two WR's who have consistently gone over 1000 yrds. Crumpler hasn't been in an offense with a Wr threat until this last year, and last year his production declined dramatically
ReplyDeleteIn regards to the whole Crumpler vs. Clark comments: wouldn't you assume that Clark would be asking for more money? He definitely wouldn't give the Hawks any discount to be on a winning team, or because of our connections to Atlanta. And if he costs more, does anyone think we could join a bidding war for him. I don't.
ReplyDeleteWhy not get Crumpler as a mentor to a TE we draft?
ReplyDeletehttp://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=3243675&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3djoyner_kc%26id%3d3243675
ReplyDeleteArticle on ESPN.com about Clark being 1 of 8 overrated players in the League. Also Vrabel, Anderson, Shockey, Driver, Rogers, Seymour, Bosch.
Mike, in a word, Peyton. Atlanta had who at QB? Any examination must include at least consideration of who is throwing the ball to the TE. I still believe there is No Comparison between Crumpler and Clark. Returning to my previous contention, why would the Colts enter the Alge fray if they didn't think it was an upgrade? Maybe you could establish a poll on the weblog?
ReplyDeletethat same article that says he is overrated says he averaged 6 yards a res. when it is actually 12.4 long of 39. thisd was my point earlier that these so called experts cant even get thier stats straight
ReplyDeleteTo Chris-
ReplyDeleteNo I am not Dumb, why take that shot?
I was commenting on PapaHawk that Tatupu was not supposed be that high of a pick in the draft. Never did I question his ability!
Oregonhawk-
ReplyDeleteI did understand your comment. It made sense to me. Ruskell didn't want to take the chance of allowing him to get that far. In the third round we took Leroy Hill. I'd say that pick worked out as well. Anyone who has ever participated in a fantasy draft knows the feeling....."will he be there next round" and then the feeling of having the coveted player get away right before your pick. When you KNOW a player will be a great fit on your team, why wait to take him?
Like the Dolphins and Ted Ginn, Jr. That one worked out great, didn't it?
Rumor has it that Ruskell wanted to take Tatupu in round one, and had to be talked out of it, that he would be there in round two. Round 2 came around and Ruskell couldn't wait, traded up to get him prior to the Hawks scheduled pick in that round. Obviously he was convinced this Tatupu was the real deal, regardless of the measurables.
-Papahawk
I think that Indy is simply using interest in Crumpler as a barganing tool to sign Clark, as well as a plan B, should they be unable to make it happen with DC. Certainly Peyton would be highly in favor of retaining his security blanket WR in TE's body Clark. They have great chemistry.
ReplyDeleteThanks PapaHawk!
ReplyDeleteIt makes sense!
Ruskell is the same guy who drafted David Greene in the third round BEFORE he took Hill.
ReplyDeleteYou win some, you lose some.
I think Spencer is going to have a good year in '08 and will turn the corner from being known as a bust.
We all know Tatupu is a stud in round 2.
Greene sucked, Hill is a well above average player.
I think Ray Willis is going to do a good job at RT this year (I don't see us resigning Lock).
Take the good with the bad and this draft looks like old Numbskull did a nice job overall.
Too bad he couldn't have had as good of an off-season the following year with our core players. One core guy sucks and the other is bound for Canton.
The question is not whether or not Davis is the best TE.
ReplyDeleteIt is a question of whether or not he is worth our pick at #25.
More than a few mocks have him as a mid-second rounder. In other words, the TE crop is not outstanding. Last year there were only two early picks.
I would take Stewart, Mendenhall, Otah, Chris Williams, Cason or Itibi were any of them still available with our first pick, and I am sure at least one will be.
Ruskell likely has a similar list of options because he can drop to the fourth and still get a TE.
But signing Crumpler gives you a far better option than chancing on Davis' blocking skills.
Ruskell said he moved up in the draft to get Tatupu specifically because another team was about to grab him before the Hawks could get him with their pick (seems like it was Cincinnati).
"Mike Kahn said..." surely you jest. He is an NBA guy and a part time Seahawk drum beater who never breaks anything but bread. He is a reporter with slow sources.
And, MS, you want evaluations Rick Gosselin and The Huddle Report and even Draft Scout rate far better than Kiper in terms of results.
Yes, he founded his own industry, but you don't want him as your backup on a wild animal hunt with his bent barrel shotgun.
Tampa Bay is realistic as is Carolina on trying to get Crumpler.
It is just a negotiating ploy by the Colts to get Clark to sign ... or franchise.
Hey, if we had Fred Davis and Shaun Alexander on the same team, then we could have some of the crappiest blockers at 2 positions offensively.
ReplyDeleteIn reference to "Mike Kahn said..." I wasn't trying to imply that I have any esteem for his opinions, rather that, in regards to Martellus Bennett people seem to love him, or hate him. I don't know what to think; he was good in a run first, second, and third offense. That tells me he can block, as due his 60+ knockdown blocks he had last year. He is also a bigger target who can catch (not saying that Davis can't).
ReplyDeleteI know the experts are supposed to be smart and good at what they do but if we should take what they say at face value and never look at things for ourselves, then we should also realize that these geniuses are the same "experts" who said the following players were going to be great in the past few drafts...
ReplyDeleteRobert Gallery (2nd overall in '04)
Cedric Benson (4th overall in '05)
Troy Williamson (7th overall in '05)
Mike Williams (10th overall in '05)
These guys suck and I'm sure Clayton and guys like him never said prior to those drafts that these guys are terrible.
Chris said...
ReplyDeleteoregonhawk:
are you dumb?!?! who cares that we used a 2nd round pick on lofa?!?! i wouldn't care if we used the 1st overall pick on him! it doesn't matter where he is drafted, point is we got a franchise mlb that could someday be in the hall of fame!
February 18, 2008 9:56 AM
Moving up to take Tatupu cost us two 4th round pics (we had 3 that year). There is some speculation that Cincinnati had their eyes on Tatupu, and settled for Odell Thurman instead, two picks later. I happen to care where someone is taken and what we give up for them. Anyone really think that Chris Spencer is/was 1st round talent? Ruskell has done a decent job of acquiring defensive talent, but he sucks as a judge of offensive talent. Spencer, Willis, Wrotto? Please. I could have done better than that throwing darts at a list of names while blind folded.
As for Fred Davis, he is THE best pass catching tight end in this draft, he'll give our offense a new dimension. Yes, he has blocking deficeincies, he is a former wideout. He can be taught to block. I'll tell you a dude that really intrigues me as a tight end, is that that dude Cottrell (sp?) from Tennessee. This guy is listed at 6'8" and 271 with a 4.74 forty time! I'd like to see that time verified at the combines, but can you imagine a guy that size down the seam with some hapless 6'0" 200 pound safety draped across his back just hanging on for dear life
davis is not worth a first round pick. if he cant block were in trouble, we need OL that can block for the run game that includes TE.
ReplyDeletebrad cottam my god 271/ 4.68 has to have hands of stone? probably best blocker of the class. scary thinking of him running down the seem ball in hand, yikes. sounds great for the running game.
I don't know where you're getting your times from, but what I've seen to date has Fred Davis in the 4.74 to 4.76 range, and Cottom at 4.74-4.75, we'll find out the real times at the combine. Cottom isn't the best pass catcher among the group, with guys like Davis, Carlson and Tamme, but look at what NFL DraftScout has to say about him:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=17440
brad cottam:4.67-4.85, soft hands,lateral quickness,smooth acceleration in the open field and good blocking technique. is currently number 5 and is a rising prospect. had a great senior bowl.
ReplyDeletethis is all from the link you gave,4.74 is his med. average. i read 22 draft board/prospect websites.
this guy could be had in the 3rd. i still dont understand most peoples man crush on davis. he cant block! without a good recieving/blocking TE this offense wont roll with any consistancy. i said it earlier better a good blocking/recieving TE than a very good recieving/ poor blocking.
at 271 lbs. and good technique and a new guard we can get those 3rd and 1-2 yards. to me that is way more important than davis upside.
this guy sounds like a good well rounded TE the complete package.